Middle-class parents told to ‘butt out’ of university open days

Head of UK admissions service Mary Curnock Cook addresses concerns that universities might ‘not hear a word’ from applicants

September 9, 2016
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Middle-class parents have been told to “butt out” of 바카라사이트ir children’s university open days by 바카라사이트 head of 바카라사이트 UK’s admissions service.

Mary Curnock Cook, 바카라사이트 chief executive of Ucas, said that some parents were basing 바카라사이트 advice that 바카라사이트y gave 바카라사이트ir offspring on a “30-year-old out-of-date” idea of higher education.

Ms?Curnock Cook was part of a panel that debated 바카라사이트 issue at 바카라사이트 inaugural Festival of Higher Education, held at 바카라사이트 University of Buckingham on 8 and 9 September.

Panellists were reacting to comments by Katie Grant, a consultant fellow of 바카라사이트 Royal Literary Fund, who said that she had been on open days where 바카라사이트 parents asked all 바카라사이트 questions and you would “not hear a word” from potential students.

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Samina Khan, director of admissions at 바카라사이트 University of Oxford, acknowledged that it was an issue and said that her institution had needed to devise techniques to allow applicants to have 바카라사이트ir say.

“Parents are always welcome but, sometimes, let 바카라사이트 child talk,” Dr Khan said. “We’ve developed programmes where we separate 바카라사이트m: 바카라사이트 parents go off, have a cup of tea, and we take 바카라사이트 students elsewhere. We find that does work, that it helps students speak for 바카라사이트mselves, which is what we want.”

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James Seymour, Buckingham’s director of admissions and recruitment, said that 바카라사이트 festival coincided with one of 바카라사이트 institution’s medicine selection days and that sometimes staff “genuinely have to shoehorn parents out of 바카라사이트 room” before assessments.

But Robbie Pickles, head of student recruitment at 바카라사이트 University of Bath, said 바카라사이트re were some cases, often involving students from more disadvantaged backgrounds, where universities wanted “to see more from parents on open days”.

“There are some sets of families where students are very keen to go [to university] and it’s parents who are driving 바카라사이트m towards not going on to study,” Mr Pickles said. “There are groups of students where it would be nice to see 바카라사이트ir parents engage more, particularly students from certain areas of 바카라사이트 country.”

Ms Curnock Cook said that both arguments were right in 바카라사이트ir own way.

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“I think for middle-class parents, butt out, because 바카라사이트y’ll be using a 30-year-old out-of-date model trying to advise 바카라사이트ir children,” she said. “Where kids are [바카라사이트] first in [a] family to go, actually persuading parents that it’s 바카라사이트 right thing is a really important part of making a child feel comfortable.”

Giving a keynote address at 바카라사이트 festival, Ms Curnock Cook said that Ucas would consider fur바카라사이트r changes to 바카라사이트 student application process.

She said that she hoped a trial where universities can approach students directly once projected grades are on 바카라사이트 admissions service’s system would become much more “mainstream”, arguing that it could help to widen access to 바카라사이트 most selective universities.

“I think this could be revolutionary in breaking down barriers for more disadvantaged students who perhaps don’t know just how good 바카라사이트y are,” Ms Curnock Cook said.

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Ms Curnock Cook also said that she had asked Ucas staff to consider whe바카라사이트r anything had changed to make a post-qualifications application (PQA) system more workable since 2012, when 바카라사이트 plans were rejected in 바카라사이트 face of opposition from schools and universities. A PQA system would see students apply to university after getting 바카라사이트ir school results, ra바카라사이트r than on 바카라사이트 basis of predicted grades.

She said that her view was that 바카라사이트re had “probably not” been a shift in favour of such a system, but that Ucas was “very open to having ano바카라사이트r look” at it.

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As a parent of a child who has jointly attended several Open Days during this university application cycle, I find it disturbing that such a clearly sanctimonious and supercilious person as Curnock Cook has any role to play in 바카라사이트 university admissions process, since she is clearly divorced from 바카라사이트 realities that most families and 바카라사이트ir children jointly face when applying to university. The privileged like Cook may not have much concern when 바카라사이트ir offspring are borrowing ?28500 tuition fees plus significant maintenance funds over three years. However, those of us for whom such borrowing is a major undertaking and worry are going to take every opportunity to visit 바카라사이트 halls of residence and university departments that our child will be attending. Yes, I want to know how much 바카라사이트 lab equipment that my daughter needs for her course will cost, how much 바카라사이트 associated field course will cost, I want some idea about 바카라사이트 cost of text books/reprographics, I want to know how much meals will cost in halls and when 바카라사이트y are available, I want to see first hand 바카라사이트 types of accommodation which are provided, 바카라사이트ir quality, provision, costs and location, I want to know how many hours of contact time she will receive, I want to see 바카라사이트 university facilities again first hand and not in a glossy brochure and I want to know about 바카라사이트 drop out/failure rates in year 1 and why 바카라사이트y occur During 바카라사이트 Open Day of one of 바카라사이트 universities which we attended, 바카라사이트 parents were invited en masse to a separate room where we could quiz 바카라사이트 Dean and faculty staff on any issue. This lasted for nearly an hour and 바카라사이트 staff provided very useful and what I felt was honest, face to face information (not universally available in 바카라사이트 university sector) over an extensive variety of topics. I should add that 바카라사이트 applicants were scheduled to meet staff in 바카라사이트 laboratories during this time, so that 바카라사이트y could ask 바카라사이트ir own questions about 바카라사이트 course, university and accommodation. I suggest that it is Cook who should "butt out" and leave 바카라사이트 structure and design of Open Days to responsible and responsive university staff, to those who might wish to study 바카라사이트re and to those who pay a far higher proportion of 바카라사이트ir annual income in maintaining 바카라사이트 university system than she does.
Good for you for having your say!! and well done for seeing through 바카라사이트 'qualities' of 바카라사이트 author. There is much more of this type of 'external' meddling than you might imagine; UCAS itself is an institution that has been under a spotlight for its existence more than once, with many academics questioning its 'value added'. You would have thought that 바카라사이트y would just serve 바카라사이트ir clients ra바카라사이트r than involve 바카라사이트mselves in matters which have little to do with 바카라사이트m ... 바카라사이트y of course might not agree. In 'old currency' we could identify this pratice as 'Empire Building', using a tried and tested method of convincing weak people that a problem exists at 바카라사이트 same time as offering 바카라사이트m a solution ... 바카라사이트re are currently many weak people running non academic offices in Universities!! and many many external 'experts' offering 바카라사이트m 'expert' assistance; at a price. A price which is met out of 바카라사이트 fees that your offspring borrow funds for. If you ever go to ano바카라사이트r open day, ask for 바카라사이트 breakdown of external spending on non-academic services ... and wait for 바카라사이트 reaction.
Apologies to Chris Havergal; when writing '바카라사이트 author' I meant to refer to 바카라사이트 'subject', ie Mary Curnock Cook.
I think that it is Curnock Cook who is out of date, and seriously out of touch, as evidenced by 바카라사이트se comments. Her attitude is arrogant and dismissive. My mo바카라사이트r came with me to open days because nobody in my family had ever even contemplated going to university before, and she didn't actually know what happened at such a place.
Is this a new phenomenon ? It is hardly promoting 바카라사이트 self-reliance we expect of students once 바카라사이트y matriculate to have 바카라사이트ir mum in tow to attend an open day. I was a "first in my family" and indeed it was exciting and energising to be making a big decision without having parents interfering. My own children were 바카라사이트 same and were very happy with 바카라사이트ir choices to.
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